[BBLISA] anybody doing IPv6 for real operations?/possible presentation topic

[Dean Anderson]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Internaut at Large wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Let me ask again, up at the top, since you still can't seem to answer
> the _relevant_ question.
> 
> What of your bells and whistles were left out of IPv6?

They weren't mine. But, All of them.  You see, it was realized a long
time ago that 32 bits of address were insufficient. ISO had a competing
network standard that was really supposed to compete with IPV4, but
wasn't done at the time IPV4 really went live. But it was better, and
most people realized this. Well, not everyone. Some people argued they
could invent a better network with lots of bells and whistles, and
stateful anycast routing (host routes) and all kinds of wild and wacky
things, way too numerous to list here. (consult old IPV6 docs).

They said it would take 2 years in 1994. 16 years later, it'll still be
here in '2 years'.

Well, now IPV6 is just wider addresses.  Everything else is gone.  

> >  There is indeed evil roaming the internet.
> 
> I know.  And I'm not E.L. Doctorow.
> 
> >  But you don't understand what it is or how it works.
> 
> To mis-quote a certain US Justice "I recognize it when I see it."

Obviously not. But that's not surprising because you are an end-user who
thinks he can get his own ISP independent block with IPV6. You are
misled and ignorant of the facts.

> I do understand where some of it is, and I do admit I am puzzled how
> it continues to "work" but I try my best to combat it, when I see it.
> When I see someone smothering a perfectly good protocol, for no good
> stated reason, one that will solve problems that exist, and are
> mandated to be the wave of the future ... that is evil, indeed.  Hi
> Dean.

The perfectly good protocol that was smothered was ISO.

> >   But, for the last 10+ years, its been part of my job to expose it.
> 
> When did you become what you wish to expose?  

I didn't. Go ahead and use IPV6. It just won't get you your own
indpendent block, nor your own static IP address.  No /protocol/ can
deliver those things more than any other protocol.  I'm not suppressing
IPV6; I'm telling you the truth that your expectations of what IPV6 can
deliver are unreasonable and won't happen.  You have been misled.

If those things are your only reason for supporting IPV6, you may want
to reconsider.

> And who made it your job?

Hmm.  Tough question. Alan Brown or Paul Vixie, I guess.  Paul Vixie was
behind the ECPA scam, telling network operators they could read email of
their customers; threatening and silencing anyone who disputed it,
including me.  It turned out that he was doing this to get information
useful to his spam (commercial bulk email) company, Whitehat, but I
didn't know that at the time. No one did.  But that's what started it.  
Vixie was using MAPs as a cover for spam-support operations, and to
attack his spam competition.  Then I slowly discovered his connections
to rest of the con-artists including the felon sex.com thief Stephen
Cohen (childhood friend of Vint Cerf), and other felons, con-artists,
and plagiarists. For example, Cohen was assisted by Ray Plzak (then CEO
of ARIN) to resist court orders on ARIN and to move IP resources out of
the country to avoid US Court authority. Plzak was a co-worker of Cerf
at Darpa NIC.DDN.MIL operations.

Alan Brown was behind an effort to extort money from open relay
operators.  He was brought into the Cerf gang by John Curran, who was at
BBN when it blocked ORBS when it scanned Verio (which ran open relays
and still does).  Curran served illegitimately on the Board of ARIN,
oversaw the assistance to Cohen, and now serves as CEO of ARIN.  Brown
works with Matthew (aka Michelle) Sullivan on SORBS. SORBS falsely
claims that 198.3.136/21 and 130.105/16 is hijacked.  Vixie provides
services to SORBS.  In the late 1990s, I discovered Brown's ORBS
blacklist was the one abusing open relays, and selling services to
"prevent" abuse. It was just an extortion ring.  But the function of
organized crime is to bring independents under their control, which
happened later.

		--Dean

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