<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Dan Ritter <<a href="mailto:dsr-bblisa@randomstring.org" class="">dsr-bblisa@randomstring.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Advice and experience requested:<br class=""><br class="">Looks like I'm going to be in the market for some reliable<br class="">stupid switches.<br class=""><br class="">If I wanted managed switches, I would use Juniper EX. We already<br class="">have them installed; they are exceedingly clever and I can<br class="">stack together four or five of them in a loop and have lots of<br class="">redundancy and a single image.<br class=""><br class="">But this application is stupid: 150ish gig-e ports, no VLANs,<br class="">no LAGs except between switches (unless they have a few 10 gig<br class="">ports, in which case no LAGs at all. No PoE. No routing, no<br class="">mirror ports.<br class=""><br class="">Does anyone have years of happiness with stupid 48-port gig-e<br class="">switches? Let me know what you like, or what initially looks<br class="">ok and turns out to be bad in practice.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Are you adverse tapping the second-hand market?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>You know and like Juniper (as do I), so why not stick with what you know, but just pay less for them?</div><div>I see this: <a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Juniper-EX3200-48T-48-Port-Gigabit-RJ45-Switch-1-Year-Warranty-/262656695705" class="">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Juniper-EX3200-48T-48-Port-Gigabit-RJ45-Switch-1-Year-Warranty-/262656695705</a></div><div>which is a slightly older model, but still quite serviceable. You can find roughly similar prices for the EX42000s as well.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you’re careful with how you do it, then you have better options for device re-use if the stupid application gets a better solution from smart people.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheap switches exist, but I think you still do better on the second-hand juniper market. Efficiency in being able to say “I can plug in the juniper</div><div>and be ready to go in 30 minutes” vs “ok, I’ve never seen this switch before, let me spend 2-3 hours getting familiar with it and learning what stupid things I need to turn off” will go a long way for me.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The down side is that you might not be able to get juniper support. For those prices, you can just keep a spare or two and still come out ahead.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Steve</div><br class=""></body></html>