[BBLISA] anybody doing IPv6 for real operations?/possible presentation topic

[Dean Anderson]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, John Orthoefer wrote:

> One of the simplest ways to start is to go to SIXXS, or TunnelBroker
> or both, and get an allocation of v6 space.

Yes, test it out. Measure the speed.  

> One comment to Bill about v4 space running out, all those predictions
> are based on ARIN allocations.  The v4 space will then be in the hands
> of the ISPs, except for those places that got allocations before you
> had to be an ISP (BBN, for example.)  Since the resource is limited,
> there will be an aftermarket (I believe the space says that it goes
> back ARIN if you don't need/want it anymore, but people will just
> shove the ownership of the space into a holding company, and sell the
> company with the space.)  The bottom line is we are in the end stage
> of a landrush, then the space will get a market value (I know I sound
> like a freemarket guy now.)

ARIN-owned space goes back to ARIN. ARIN owns it, got it from the
government, and leases it out.  ARIN can audit it at anytime (no more
than once per year, I think) and take it back if they deem you aren't
using it. More or less arbitrarily; there are no horror stories that I
am aware of, but ARIN's board of directors aren't properly elected (no
quorum) and one refuses certified postal mail informing him of his
illegitimacy in office. It is known that cronies of Paul Vixie get IP
space in two hours, while the rest have to wait months.  Despite
specific language in Virginia Law, ARIN will not provide me (ARIN
member), with the complete member list and addresses. ARIN posts the
member names on the website. Members in non-profit corporations are
entitled to the member list and addresses to communicate with other
members and for other corporate governance purposes.  Last election
cycle, 29 of 30 ARIN Advisory Council candidates were NANOG/Vixie
cronies.  Beside the dominance of NANOG in ARIN candidates, ARIN pays
for NANOG meeting expenses, even though an analysis of the NANOG
membership shows less than 10% of ARIN members participate in NANOG.  
So NANOG people control ARIN, ARIN pays for NANOG, conflict of interest,
and improper use of funds.  This is the short list; I didn't intend this
to be an expose of ARIN corruption...

This is what I want to get to: Legacy space is different; or rather: It
is on the same level as ARIN itself, predating ARIN and originating in a
government grant of unconditional rights that can be transferred. That
is: property rights. There isn't really much legacy space, but I'm a
legacy owner of 198.3.136/21 and contact for 130.105/16, which is owned
by OSF.  Legacy blocks were given by the government without condition or
time limit, much the same way that ARIN got its space.  Legacy blocks
can be transferred and ARIN has no authority over its use. ARIN is just
the record-keeper (like the county registrar of deeds) and provides
IN-ADRR DNS services for Legacy blocks, as well as its own blocks.  For
about two years now, ARIN has been running a protection racket, offering
Legacies "protection" from theft if they transfer their space to ARIN.
Uh huh.  Not many people signed up.

> Right now the internet is v4 with bubbles of v6 connected via tunnels
> to each other.  Slowly at first those bubbles will grow, and merge,
> and eventually one day we'll all wake up and realize that it's now v6
> with pockets of v4.  I kinda look at this the same way things where in
> the 1980s most of the world was UUCP, with pockets of v4, and PPP.

Well, a big difference is that your IPV4 computers didn't break when you
turned off UUCP. Nor did adding IPV4 stacks and services break UUCP.  
Nor did you need an 'upgrade' day where you broke everything in UUCP
world to cut over to IPV4.

IPV4 and IPV6 are like siamese twins, and the separation surgery is just
as ugly and can kill both.  Indeed, ISPs will need Dr. CLNS and Nurse
IS-IS just to perform the surgery.... Why not just put Dr. CLNS in
charge now and not have simase twins? ;-)

		--Dean

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