[BBLISA] RE: bblisa Digest, Vol 48, Issue 18

Fri Nov 23 13:58:42 EST 2007

Good to know this.  Thanks for the feedback.

So then where would you put your money? 

Tony Costa

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From: Sean Lutner [mailto:sean at rentul.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:30 PM
To: antonio.costa1 at verizon.net
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Subject: Re: [BBLISA] RE: bblisa Digest, Vol 48, Issue 18

I would recommend strongly against HP Procurve switches for anything  
other than a doorstop.

I recently watched multiple Procurve switches sporadically reboot  
themselves (multiple times, in an unpredictable fashion), fail to  
provide properly functioning BOOTP helpers, fail to provide sensible  
802.1x configuration options, awful VLAN configuration and generally  
become unstable with small work loads (few dozen machines doing  
automated installs).

Said swtches have since been ripped out and replaced with Cisco and  
life is better now.

On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Antonio Costa wrote:

> I worked for a Hosting company in the past  that used DELL switches  
> mostly
> for the cabinet or cages.  They're not as reliable.
> 3Com has made a comeback, since they purchased Huwaei. A boss of  
> mine has
> told me he did a lot of jobs pulling old 3Comms as they were
> Failure prone.
>
> One that shows promise for less money than CISCO, and without the  
> annoying
> CISCO SmartNet annual re-licensing is HP Procurve.  Price is  
> slightly less
> than CISCO and HP is known for making good hardware, no matter the
> application.
>
> Tony Costa
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>    1. Re: Cisco versus Dell switches (stephen g. wadlow)
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> From: "stephen g. wadlow" <sgw at wadlow.net>
> Subject: Re: [BBLISA] Cisco versus Dell switches
> To: Edward Ned Harvey <bblisa2 at nedharvey.com>
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> I've had quite the opposite experience.   I don't think I've worked
> with a netgear switch (old or new) that didn't freak out and need to
> be rebooted on a regular basis.
>
> I've become something of a fan of Foundry FastIrons over the last few
> years.   They're solid, manageable, and typically much cheaper than a
> "comparable" cisco, moreso on the grey market.
>
> 						-steve
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> On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>
>> Y'know, I've always liked netgear switches myself, but I didn't
>> know they
>> made managed switches.  So I'll look into that as well.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Pascoe [mailto:km3t at km3t.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:04 PM
>>> To: Edward Ned Harvey
>>> Subject: Re: [BBLISA] Cisco versus Dell switches
>>>
>>> I know you're only looking at Cisco and Dell.  Don't overlook
>>> Netgear -
>>> I used to snub them but after testing their newer lines of switches
>>> find
>>> them to be really nice.  And stable.  The managed switches are
>>> actually
>>> affordable and feature rich.
>>>
>>> I've used almost all the major manufacturers and have done work in
>>> some
>>> heavy duty environments...so my recommendation isn't coming from  
>>> left
>>> field.  :-)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>>>> Hey everyone.  I know cisco is better; that's not the question.   
>>>> The
>>>> question is - is cisco better in any of the ways I will care about.
>>> Enough
>>>> to outweigh the extra cost.  I'm comparing 24port managed gigabit,
>>> against
>>>> 24port managed gigabit.
>>>>
>>>> If I buy the cisco, I am sure the switches will be stable, and
>>>> remain
>>>> operational, I can safely assume they continue doing their job at
>>>> all
>>> times
>>>> with pure trust.  Until the switch suffers some total failure,  
>>>> and I
>>> RMA the
>>>> device.  I am prepared to face the risk that cisco RMA is 4 hour,
>>> while Dell
>>>> RMA is NBD.
>>>>
>>>> But in the past (2002) I had problems with Dell switches that would
>>> crash.
>>>> I was in a company that used experimental network hardware, but now
>>> it's
>>>> unclear if the cause was the switches or the experimental network
>>> hardware.
>>>> It's also unclear if there was a problem back in 2002, which is now
>>>> resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone use Dell switches, can you say you're able to work
>>> without
>>>> problems in general?  You're able to put some heavy NFS traffic
>>> across the
>>>> network, and the switches don't unexplainedly crash?
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